breeders in uk??

[magee]

hi just looking to get in touch with some reputable breeders in the uk can anyone help so far i have spoke to one in n. wales who seem quite genuine but any advice much appreciated thank you

[Scorpio78]

well from my research and what i have seen on here and other places :

1 J7

2 WINJIM KENNELS (http://www.breedersonline.co.uk/dog-breeder.asp?userid=4655)


A good few people on here have dogs from the above breeders. Also there is rogue kennels.

[magee]

thank you i will look into it
do you have a presa at the moment ?

[magee]

also is there a massive difference in size and shape with the presa that is bred in th uk
think i remember reading that tres adila breed small ones ect ect :confused:

[KSB1699]

I have a pup of winjim . :)

I have seen his dogs and they are awesome, his male dog , troy, is MASSIVE!. I only got my pup off him recently , he is a nice approachable guy too:).

[Raptordog]

Your on the right tracks with J7 (goes without saying) and also Win Jim I am hearing good reports of.

On the matter of massive dogs, well its best not to get too blinked by size rules, depending on what functional role you’re looking for your dog to play
then be very careful, if it’s a natural deterrent then possibly it may work for you, if your looking for athletic ability and sharpness/ drive etc then some of the best around dwell in the 40 kilo league, though there are exceptions to this. :)

[magee]

to be honest i would like to get a female just a personal choice
that will be a visual deterrent at my house and gardens i do not want to do any bite/hold training but do want to be able to go for runs along the beach /woods and not chance messing the dog up
i have a bull terrier cross and a springer both of which are getting old and the springer is the only one that will bark at strangers but not really menacing looking
and theres quite a bit of money in my garden so i thought a presa would be a good choice and so far have only spoke to tres adlia ,
but would like some ,more numbers to ring

thanks

[magee]

ok i will try j7 / t-rouge / and tres alida as these seem
the most popular can anyone shed light on the build temprement and other info on these kennels please

[magee]

is there any website for j7 or winjim thanks and i have found tres alida r these reputable? please pm me

[JC]

Hi,

I will try and help you. Not many people do it this way, but to prevent yourself, spending a lot of money on a dog you end up either giving away, reselling or even worse have to get the dog terminated.

End up in hospital with a dog from nervous or aggresive breedings.

If you do your research, you will end up with the dog you want, but remeber you have to live with the dog every day, sometimes more than what people want, or sometimes not enough.

In my opinion the true or real presas live there lives on a knife edge, very easy to tip them either way, too defensive, or to prey drivey.

Keeping your dog balanced on that knife edge is not for novice dog owners.

So this is how I would approach your quest, forget looking to buy for now, go call up each breeder, make an appointment, go see for your self, ask about health tests, hip/elbow scores, look at the parent stock, ask the breeder topull his own dogs to bits in their own eyes/words, all dogs have good and bad points.

OH sorry I did not know the perfect dog had been bred yet?

look at the facilities, background checks, ask to speak to there vets for a reference etc, hiow many litters are produced how often, temprement would they leave there presa unattended with their children?

When you have travelled from wales to london, london to derby, derby to barnsley, up to newcastle and down to plymouth you will have seen most worht looking at.

You will find different poeple want different things from their dogs and selectivley breed for such.

Decide then what you really, really want and if it is a Presa or a dogo or a gsd or bull mastiff.

Search this forum and you will find all the people you need to, goodluck on you quest, look and research before you buy and get a companion for 10+ years.

Best of luck,

JC.

PS manners and patience go a long way.;)

The only daft question is the one you don't ask!

IE does any one have a phone no. for such A PERSON?

[DanUK47]

Solid advice and words of experience.

Worst you can do is go head first into the breed, especially if you aren't going to apply experience either of your's or listen to others; e.g. socialisation, leaving the working aspects in the hands of the breeder's whose stock you picked because they have managed the genetics to the highest odds possible for you already ...get the time, control and bonding in place and if you have the commitment thereafter, do the work if you can find the right trainer, or get the dog tested once or twice as an adult (not 6mths, not 8mths) for that piece of mind knowing what you have.

[magee]

so is there any meets / shows / events that i can go to meet up ect ect

[stevebucknor1]

You should not spending a lot of money on a dog and you end up either giving away, reselling or even worse have to get the dog terminated. It is really need to think about this.

[Kieran_kane]

Tres alida have got brock a 75kg 27inch 18 month presa canario i dont think that is small? Biggest one i have heard of

[jules6523]

Hi, can anyone help me, i have a female presa and am looking into breeding her, does anyone have a male that is 100% presa and would be willing to have pick of the litter?
Please get in touch if so asap

Thanks

[DanUK47]

I can 100% assure you anybody that gets in touch to such a post, will not be worth dealing with; likewise, nobody worth dealing with, would positively respond to such a post.

[jules6523]

why not hun?

[DanUK47]

Because, breeding dogs is a serious business, not in the commercial sense in this instance but because:

1. Of the over population of dogs in the UK (and world generally)
2. Low quality of dogs being reproduced; lack of standards such as breeding for health (hips, elbows, eyes, heart, thyroid, bloodwork) and to improve health, breeding for sound temperament (fitting of the breed in application for sport/protection work or livestock work such as boar hunting)
3. Puppy milling and reproduction of dogs as opposed to 'breeding' (for betterment of health, function and preservation of a part of our history)
4. Low number of suitable owners for dogs in the UK; in particular working breeds for which the Presa is suited to only a fraction of those individuals; most so 'inclined' to own the breed, are not suited.
5. The Presa is distinct from KC registered breeds in the UK which whilst possessed of many benefits (such as reduced popularity and lower number of breeders fitting criteria for breeders in favour of commerce and looks), it also has is set-backs, namely higher scrutiny in face of media/public and thus, demands a much higher standard of conduct in terms of breeding selection, identification of homes, support etc.

If folks cannot commit to the responsibilities associated with breeding dogs generally, they should not; and breeds like Presa's, Rotti's, Dobie's, GSD's etc. all demand even higher standards.

Whilst not suggesting requests should be made as 'vividly' as that attached below, the content itself is pretty-much 'mandatory' for any sort of reputably UK breeder to co-operate with another.

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If you cannot present similar information like lineage, hip and health scores, temperament assessment, working/obedience/hunting accomplishments etc., even in written form, you're really not breeding ...merely reproducing, which calls into question the merits of ones motives.

If looking for a stud, introduce yourself, get to know people, meet their dogs. Identify what it is you want to improve and contribute to the breed, otherwise people assume your contribution intention is financial to your pocket ...you simply cannot make money out of this breed, not in the UK unless you are of dubious character and motive, it isn't possible ....its nigh on impossible even to 'break-even'. If your dog comes from an 'unknown breeder' ...first step even is to verify it even is a Presa! ...if it comes from a number of known peddlers, its likely a cross at best, at worst devoid of any Presa blood. Serious breeders keep records, peddlers often try and abuse serious breeders by selling off of their name ...and their dog's names ...even when they've been dead for years and infertile before that; e.g. people still contact J7, myself and Sati asking about J7's Frankie, because they just got a pup off of him ....quite the achievement!

Get the very basics performed: hips (score evenly and below 15) and elbows (no worse than 1/1, ideally 0/0), eyes checked, thyroid and heart. These are requisites for all breeds, in particular large ones.

Get the temperament assessed, if you're in Wakefield, you are not far from Heath Working Dog Club, one of the most recognised in the country. You don't have to train weekly, but, if you can demonstrate you have the requisite control needed for such a breed, you could certainly ask nicely to then have a temperament assessment performed to understand your dog's make-up in order to breed responsbily. Ask to establish:

1. General disposition, is it fearful, sharp, confident etc. generally and in face of stress and environmental elements
2. How well does it recover from stress/stimulation
3. Stimulus threshold: high, medium, low
4. Bite inhibition: high, medium, low
5. Protectiveness: is it actively aggressive, defensive, does it demonstrate fear response or avoidance
6. Does the dog have a high prey drive, is it handler sensative, does it have a strong bond/responsiveness to handler, does it learn well and quickly

If you don't understand these things; you really shouldn't be breeding, at least not yet. Just because you have a dog, doesn't mean you have to breed it. It isn't viable to breed just because it would be 'nice' for the dog or because it would make 'pretty' dogs. It won't be nice for the puppies if they end-up unhealthy and sickly, or in bad homes. Just because you might sell pups to a good home, don't be naive enough to think they will stay there; a lot of undesirable types will offer large sums of cash to Joe-Q-Public for dogs of certain types/breeds and your lovely pups could end up living a miserable, short life as a 'bait dog' or on a chain 24/7, 365 in all weather with little care. Can you rescue? And if you can't home rescues, can you euthanise them? These are all serious questions to answer.

If you can, even a working breeder, might consider offering a stud to the right person if the dog was sound enough. I.e. even if it doesn't work; if it has good, verifiable pedigree, excellent health (and lineage of health) and is fundamentally sound and no liability to society, they might consider studding if the prospective breeder has sound motives, has already identified a number of suitable homes etc.

The above example, is also example of the effort involved. It took three years of concerted effort to establish the links, contacts, trust and meet the requirements to get to that point; the fruits of it so far look great, but success never comes overnight and always has to be earned.