what do you think?

[cawkazn]

what do you guys think my boy is mixed with? the guy i got him from says hes pure apbt, papers and all to prove it, but you can look at him and tell this is obviously not true. whats your guys guess?

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[Alexandra Neufeld]

Not that I'm an expert by any means, but he looks like one of the newer, trendier pits to me. They all have papers are are supposed to be pure but they don't look much like the old school pit bulls.

[george]

This kind of pitbulls are called "bully breeds".Nothing common with the old lines of the pure apbt.The criteria of such breeding lines are the big size and often the blue colour but nothing common with the pure game dogs.

[presasrus]

American Bulldog, maybe - only saying that b/c I've seen the outcome numerous, numerous times. I like the looks of him, personally. How does he act?

[Detroit Red]

Maybe a Guardian Devil Kennel presa:D:D, just kiddin' I've seen some bandogs out of blue pit x Neo look very similiar. Nice looking dog though.

[bull83]

poor fella doesn't have any ears, someone thought they were a real hardass when they had that done.

Matt

[pittbull22]

Maybe a Guardian Devil Kennel presa:D:D, just kiddin' I've seen some bandogs out of blue pit x Neo look very similiar. Nice looking dog though.

:D;):D:rolleyes::D;):D:D

[Kiroman]

??? who knows these days... He looks nice, but how is he otherwise? That's always more important

[Alexandra Neufeld]

So is the consensus that he's a cross? I thought he looked like this, the one in the middle:
http://www.ironcrosskennels.com/home.php

Head is similar but I think the dog that I linked to has an absurdly wide chest, whereas yours looks natural

[Kiroman]

That is probably the most visually annoying website I have ever seen!! Those are some crazy looking dogs, I can only imagine the health issues...

[Alexandra Neufeld]

That is probably the most visually annoying website I have ever seen!! Those are some crazy looking dogs, I can only imagine the health issues...

Sorry to jack the thread but you didn't even get the half of it.

Turn up your speakers and try this: http://www.ironcrosskennels.com/

[cawkazn]

well actually his ears are still there, i just folded them behind his head in those pics. and when i first was exposed to pitbulls i got exposed to the "bully" side of it, its pretty lame to me. I like the original apbt. anyways his temperment is great, hes a little over a year old now like 13-15 months i forget. but hes very smart, has a ton of energy and drive, listens good, doesnt stray too far when i walk him off leash, hasnt showed much dog aggression, very gentle with the family, and is pretty much just a big friendly goofball. I was thinking behind every breed of dog they were mixed, to eventually make purebreds, a consistant line of what you want, but you can pretty much mix a dog with whatever you want to, to get what you are looking for or going to use the dog for, i dont see a problem in mixing. My thoughs on him is cane corso/ apbt mix, take a look at this pic of a corso, looks alot like my boy. although its possibel american bulldog, but i dont know where all the blue would come from, or possibly neo but i think he would be much bigger if he was mixed with neo. and yup the bully side of it the apbt is pretty much run by nothing but a bunch of gangsters, and all their dogs are mixed, with papers to say they are pure bred, Iron cross kennels is supposed to be one of the bigshots in the "bully" world, and that rap song just backs up the whole yo yo yo gangster aspect of what kind of people want to get these dogs. Now these "bully" breeders are mixing the apbt with english bulldogs to produce these freakishly short wide dogs, its pretty sad. but yeah im pretty happy with my boy, hes just shy of 100 lbs, hes like 98 lbs anyways i think hes mixed with corso?


heres the link: http://classiccanecorso.com/index.html

[cawkazn]

heres a few more pics of him if anyone is interested, one with ears back one without. i wanted to clip his ears when he was a pup and my gf didnt so they arent clipped, i took a bunch of pics of him to just kinda get an idea of what he would have looked like if we got them clipped.


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[Alexandra Neufeld]

Indeed if he isn't the bully type (and I'll take your word for it) then I would agree with the corso. Jesus 100lbs is pretty big even for those nasty pits, so I think that rules them out. And of course both of his parents had to come from breeds that carried the blue color for him to express it.

In addition to be very large I though that neopolitan mastiffs were the breed with the grossly exaggerated jowls? Whereas yours is kind of tight lipped.

Funny about the ears, he looked very convincingly cropped... I guess you wished you'd ignored the gf and gone ahead... I think he looks beautiful either way, and he is an awesome awesome looking dog.

[Kiroman]

doesnt stray too far when i walk him off leash, hasnt showed much dog aggression,

Where do you live where you walk off leash? Unless you are out in the country without other folks arund, you are asking for trouble, especially since he shows some DA. Be careful...

[Kiroman]

He does look very nice though...

[cawkazn]

yeah the only place i walk him off leash is out in the middle of nowhere, thanks for the comments on my boy guys =)

[SteelFistVelvetGlove]

You have a solid dog too. You do any work with him, any sort of training?

[cawkazn]

nothing really besides let him run around, i have a few places i take him thats safe to let him go off leash. but other than that not much. I have been wanting to make a spring pole for him but havnt gotten around too it. he goes nuts for a rope toy, he has so much drive i really should do something with him.

[parintele]

those dogs are not cane corso:mad:

italian cane corso and the dog present in that link u gave are 2 different things.... call it "american cane" or whatever u like....at best case is a cane x mastino mix..is just like american bully, a cross..

[cawkazn]

those dogs are not cane corso:mad:

italian cane corso and the dog present in that link u gave are 2 different things.... call it "american cane" or whatever u like....at best case is a cane x mastino mix..is just like american bully, a cross..

i dont know much about cane corsos other than the pictures of them i have seen online and the little bit i have read about them. im just trying to figure out what my dog is mixed with, i guess it would be best to just call him a ban dog

[george]

as i told you at the first post!this kind of dogs are called "bully breed" not pitbulls.no way pit x mastino or pit x corso.usually pit x bulldog and call them bully breeds

[Juke]

http://molosserdogs.com/modules.php?name=Encyclopedia&op=content&tid=3375
check out this link. This is what is calld the "new" pitbull. pretty much crosses 2 make them larger n more appealin. too whom im not sure. from the ones i hav been around n workd not really my cup of tea. but he looks nice?:confused:

[presasrus]

Work backwards. What have you seen mad scientists crossing pits with? I've seen canes, neapolitans, presas, boxers, american bulldogs, filas, caucasians, bullmastiffs, and english mastiffs. Now based on the appearance of yours, and the (readily available) realistic possibilities, can you narrow this down to say cane, neapolitan, american bulldog? I'd go with the american bulldog.

Now I toss the same question back, what do you think?

Think of it this way, say you have a big fairly muscular black dog and want to somehow deduce the mix. Influences may have been boerboel, presa, fila, neapolitan, english, cane, etc., but who the heck has the first three that would be willing to partake in such mad science? Those are pretty rare. In this example, I'd cross those off right away...

Does this help?

[Alexandra Neufeld]

Work backwards. What have you seen mad scientists crossing pits with? I've seen canes, neapolitans, presas, boxers, american bulldogs, filas, caucasians, bullmastiffs, and english mastiffs. Now based on the appearance of yours, and the (readily available) realistic possibilities, can you narrow this down to say cane, neapolitan, american bulldog? I'd go with the american bulldog.
Only thing with American Bulldogs is the blue color isn't very prevalent in the breed, it's against the standard, and because blue is recessive this dog, whatever it is, had to have parents that were both carries of the dilute gene. Which is why neos and canes are still in the running for "who's the daddy."

[presasrus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE9Qm8mShik

1:23 for you Alexandra. :)

[cawkazn]

Only thing with American Bulldogs is the blue color isn't very prevalent in the breed, it's against the standard, and because blue is recessive this dog, whatever it is, had to have parents that were both carries of the dilute gene. Which is why neos and canes are still in the running for "who's the daddy."


thats basically what i was thinking, and neo would be much bigger and wrinklier, unless maybe it was neo a few generations back mixed with pit in a bit more and more

[Alexandra Neufeld]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE9Qm8mShik

1:23 for you Alexandra. :)

LOL I love Samuel L Jackson.

The dog could be half American bulldog but he would have to be a blue pit/american bulldog crossed with another blue pit/ american bulldog. Which would mean each parent would carry a gene for producing blue and could produce a blue pup, if it just so happened that said pup inherited a blue gene, but that rates pretty high on the list of unlikely's.