Multi-Sires

[pittbull22]

Just wanting to know about the multi sire business that goes on in breeding. Does anyone have any beliefs or disbeliefs in this practice? I didnt even know this was true until I finally researched about it! Does the puppies come out half and half (half of the mother and half of one the fathers) or are they all like a 1/3 mixture? :confused: I bet there are a lot of people out here doing this multi-sire breeding and then not telling the 100% truth on the parent. But anyways I'll be waiting to see what the forum has to say about this!

[SteelFistVelvetGlove]

Just wanting to know about the multi sire business that goes on in breeding. Does anyone have any beliefs or disbeliefs in this practice? I didnt even know this was true until I finally researched about it! Does the puppies come out half and half (half of the mother and half of one the fathers) or are they all like a 1/3 mixture? :confused: I bet there are a lot of people out here doing this multi-sire breeding and then not telling the 100% truth on the parent. But anyways I'll be waiting to see what the forum has to say about this!


Yes it is done. There is no half or third etc.. Is random and chance
1/3 ? come now,, no way the genetics of the males get put into the same mix. A puppy has genetics from one male or the other but not both and the female.

[Zhenya]

Does the puppies come out half and half (half of the mother and half of one the fathers) or are they all like a 1/3 mixture?


Woah, dude!

[SteelFistVelvetGlove]

To clarify. You might get all puppies from one father anyway, or 2 from one 4 from the other.. etc.. won't be half one half another, will be random probablity.


Woah, dude!


What sperm dont mix and blend genetics? Maybe they are gay sperm...:eek::D:rolleyes::p and to do it within an egg,, cool idea.....who knows there is probably some biology PHd working on that right now. :eek:

[pittbull22]

LOL!!!! I dont know what I was thinking, you guys are right I knew better than 1/3 and all that BS :p, I just didnt know about the multi-sire thing. So I guess I was just a little mind boggled!:eek:

[Darianna]

LOL!

although....I believe in some species - I think in birds and reptiles - a female can lay a multi-fathered clutch of eggs. As the story goes for some bird species, the female is often "monogomous" with one male but has extra-paired copulations with another male that always hangs around her (but at a reasonable distance)....this gives her an advantage because she has 2 males contributing to the rearing of her offspring - and both are invested because they both know that they've mated with her at and least some of the babies are theirs....

appologies for the useless biological fact ;):p

[SteelFistVelvetGlove]

the female is often "monogomous" with one male but has extra-paired copulations with another male that always hangs around her (but at a reasonable distance)....


Not my definition of monogamy.. .Sluts!!:eek:

umm maybe t hat is where the got the idea of "Desperate Housewives".. the big reason I am single, seems impossible to find a woman with excellent character!!! I say, you want her? she can move in and you can pay for her, Im going to train my dogs!!!!"

[parintele]

LOL!

although....I believe in some species - I think in birds and reptiles - a female can lay a multi-fathered clutch of eggs. As the story goes for some bird species, the female is often "monogomous" with one male but has extra-paired copulations with another male that always hangs around her (but at a reasonable distance)....this gives her an advantage because she has 2 males contributing to the rearing of her offspring - and both are invested because they both know that they've mated with her at and least some of the babies are theirs....

appologies for the useless biological fact ;):p

might be, still in most cases laws of nature are much more simple than that and copulation with multiple males is a common fact..just with "smarter" results...
in many species, females copulate with multiple males but they become fertile only when a dominant, "best" male is around or most often will accept different males in the heat season but only the dominant one when she is fertile... depending on the species particlarities regarding heats and reproduction...

the rule is only the best male, the strongest, the healthiest, etc...will put it's genes in next generation and females know that better than anyone, even if they fool around with other males too...

this will increase chances for her offsprings to have the best genes available, to be healthy, powerfull, dominant and perpetuate her genes also over time...



getting back to dogs :

as SFVG said, and others, each pup will have one father, the genitor can be found later using a genetic test.

some females accept 2 or more males, even naturally, without "help"... sometimes, and i know few cases, even if only one male is available the female will not accept him if there is another male around(in the same yard/kennel) wich is the dominant one, very "healthy" behavior for aq female in my oppinion, still not the best thing when u are a breeder :)

what i want to say regarding this issue is i do not consider using 2 or moe males a "healthy" practice for a breeder...

except some particular cases WHY some would use 2 males ..this proves lack of a planning, knowledge, etcetc...

when u pair 2 dogs i do it for a purpose and u wnat to obtain the maximum from that breeding, more than that u want to maximize the chances of obtaining a good pup...risking o splitting the number of pups from a male decrease the chances ...
is not the same thing to choose a good pup from a litter of 8-9 and a totally different story when u choose from 3-4 pups...


i consider this practice ok only in some critical situations such as:

- the last breeding of the female, various reasons (age, not possible a natural birth but a surgical one that risk females future ability to reproduce, etcetc...)
- probable unavailability of one or both males used(old male that could not be fertile or alive until next time, or maybe just not as viable reproducer, etc.., )
- health issues that do not guarantee the viability of the breeding of one of the males (a male u are not sure it's sperm is viable enough paired with a female that will not be bred soon due to various reasons, etc)..in this case there are laboratory analisys that can be made for the sperm but in some cases they might not be all you need to be sure...
-other situations that might force u to use this method of reproduction like u have a female and u make a huge effort to breed her in different part of the world... like u go from europe to US or viceversa... u have 2 great males u would like to use but the cost of the transportation is huge and u consider u affort it only once in a period of time... on top of that the stress for the female is most often dramatic, chances of a viable breeding are anyway small anyway...
when u consider all this the use of 2 males might be justified...


but all these are particular cases, not common situations...

in majority of the cases a breeder should and will plan the breeding, will follow some certain goals with a breeding, that mean using a certain male for that purpose and increase as much as possible the chances of production of a super-pup...
as most of the dogs have also weaknesses, as a breeder u want as many pups to choose from as possible and limiting that chance is like u would cull a possible best pup before it is born...