Steps and methodologies for Protection and obedience training.

[Minestrone]

1. Specify whether your talking about protection or obedience.

A. When should obedience training start an how?

B. When should a protection foundation begin to be laid?
What are the components of laying down a protection foundation?

[Garyskids]

Hey Minestrone,

I'm sorry that I don't have any advice for you, I am a fairly new Presa owner and you won't notice me posting too much. I have tried posting in all the 'specific' forums for training and such, but it never makes a difference. I have asked the same questions you have and IF I get anything I'm told to leave it alone just let my pup be a pup for now...

But....

There are numerous threads on the board for Tristan and other great pups that are younger than mine who are damn near completely trained. When I send private messages to these individuals for advice, the they tell me it takes 'lots of lave and care' to get the training. No one EVER answers my questions. Well, some do...Dennis is usually pretty ready w/ advice and Ginevive is great.

Look at the main forum; three of the first four threads don't even address Presas. It's aggrevating as hell. I want to know about bite work so I can prep my pup for advanced training by a trained professional. No one tells am anything. I want to know what type of crate keeps an onary presa pup in without being destroyed and of all these damn members no one could tell me just a name of a brand, when I know most of them have used, or still use crates.

Have fun.

[Minestrone]

What I saw with Tristan is basically confidence building by virtue of the decoy running away when Tristan came forward and barked accompanied with a little prey drive, no defense, you of course would not want that with a puppydoodle, I do not know much but this seems like a good idea.

[Zhenya]

This is probably taking it to the unwanted direction but wanted to clarify some points.

There are numerous threads on the board for Tristan and other great pups that are younger than mine who are damn near completely trained.

I would like references on the video of these "nearly completely trained" pupies on this board.

No one EVER answers my questions.
And noone will because it's irresponsible to give any major training advices over the internet without seeing the pup/dog first hand. All you'll ever get is some general stuff that you could have picked up somewhere else. Even if you try to describe the problem thoroughly your interpretation of the problem can be different then of the person sought for advise. Like for example you pup shredding some paper in your house. While it may be a big deal to you, I see absolutely nothing wrong with it and we are talking about very simple stuff. You can imagine that giving a solid training advice might become even more misleading over the interwebs.


I want to know what type of crate keeps an onary presa pup in without being destroyed and of all these damn members no one could tell me just a name of a brand, when I know most of them have used, or still use crates.

And this is another flip side of the coin-even if somebody gives you a solid advice there's a great chance you wouldn't understand. ALUMINUM DOG BOX is the name of the brand so stop complaining and start online ordering.

[Hankdad]

-You have to build the love for the work in the dog.
-You have to build enough prey drive in the presa ( a lot of times) to really stay in the work as well as not get to defensive in the work.
-Balance is the key for all training you can do things super soft handed and do things to heavy handed the balance of those is critical for really good OB.
-Obedience in drive is the best OB since if the dog is in drive and makes a mistake and you then correct it, then there is not a lot of sulking and feeling beat up. The dog is in drive so it recognizes that it made a mistake and can fall back into the OB that you want it to do.
- At the same time when it does fall back into the OB that it needs to do the balance of rewarding for the proper behavior.
- One of the most important things you can do is find someone that knows Presas and has dealt with them before.
-Here is a link to an article I wrote for the Cane Corso online mag that applies to the Presa as well. I would just plug in PC any time you see CC. Read it and apply it to finding a trainer. The article starts on page 13-15
http://www.thesaccijournal.com/2008Quarter2/Magazine/Default.html

Hope this helps, Hankdad/Shane