An update on LS Joker

[cracker]

LoneStarPresa's pup. My Olive came out of the same litter.


8 weeks
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10 months - 138 lbs
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-Wade

[pittbull22]

this is what I love about presa's their face always seem to show the mood they are in! The last pic was as perfect of a shot that anyone can get of a happy dog of any breed. Almost as if he was laughing at someone or something! Beautiful dog as well! Big one too!!!

[Kiroman]

10 months - 138 lbs


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[Meredith S.]

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That's what I thought!

[LoneStarPresa]

This is actually Diesel, my other dog is Joker
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[LoneStarPresa]

Here is Joker, at 7 months. I will have to get some new updated pics of him

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[LoneStarPresa]

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[LoneStarPresa]

Joker when he was younger, riding to work with me ;)

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[cracker]

Joker passed away last week. He will be missed and was an incredible dog.:(

Parvo.

Out of 7 dogs total(one household), he was the only one to get it. Terrible.

[Virtues]

My condolences to Joker's owner, that's terrible. :( I'm sorry for your loss.

I wonder why, as an adult dog, he wouldn't have the immunity to fight off Parvo. I thought only younger dogs or dogs with compromised immunity get it. Am I wrong?

[LawrenceandHaney]

Parvo...that is too bad did he not have his shots?

[cracker]

My condolences to Joker's owner, that's terrible. :( I'm sorry for your loss.

I wonder why, as an adult dog, he wouldn't have the immunity to fight off Parvo. I thought only younger dogs or dogs with compromised immunity get it. Am I wrong?

The pups are 1 year and one month. He had his shots as a pup. But I do not have details. I lost my grandfather last week so I was out of town when Chris (LoneStarPresa) sent me a text.

[SteelFistVelvetGlove]

I wonder why, as an adult dog, he wouldn't have the immunity to fight off Parvo. I thought only younger dogs or dogs with compromised immunity get it. Am I wrong?
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No, your right. He had to have died from some other cause.

[genevieve]

Can be contracted at any age, younger dogs at much higher risk.

If he was fully vaccinated by a veterinarian I would be contacting the vaccine manufacturer.

Proper vaccination for parvo is at 6-8 weeks then repeated every 3-4 weeks until the dog is 16-20 weeks depending on breed. Booster at one year, then every other year after that.

In older dogs a series of two vaccines given 3-4 weeks apart, booster every other year.

Vaccine handling is very important- vaccines are delicate and easily inactivated.

Genevieve

[SteelFistVelvetGlove]

Can be contracted at any age, younger dogs at much higher risk.

That is very interesting. I stand corrected. Funny thing is, I lived in an area where parvo was particularly bad, never got more than the initial parvo vaccine, no booster, no problems, I must have been somewhat fortunate, Ill err on the safe side from now on.

[genevieve]

All has to do with when maternal antibody is declining and when the vaccines are given.

http://jvdi.org/cgi/reprint/8/4/427.pdf

Scroll down to the graphic on page 431- that dip is where most dogs pick up parvo and the reason pups should not be at parks, petstores, etc. The problem is that because you cannot assess the individual antibody level for any specific dog, you do not know if that dip will be at 6 wks, 7 wks, 8wks, etc.

Another study that was done in pups that were contracting parvo at 2-3 weeks showed that the weaker members of the litter may not get much colostrum at all and have a very early maternal antibody dip. For these individuals or for dogs in kennels with a high parvo incidence vaccination may be recommended as early as 2 weeks.

Genevieve

[Virtues]

Thanks for weighing in, Genevieve, I was hoping someone with some veterinary knowledge would. Very sad for the loss of such a young dog, and I learned something today. I've only heard or seen (when I was a vet tech many moons ago) of young dogs getting it.

[genevieve]

One year and one month is still a pup in this breed. I haven't personally seen it in dog over two.

IE, I agree that it is rarer the older the dog and almost unheard of in adults.

Genevieve

[LoneStarPresa]

It had to be a very bad strain of Parvo. A week or so before, my mother and a friend went to Canton(a market type place) to visit a friend. They sell puppies there, and they were there less than an hour. Joker died ~ 10 days later, as did the other ladies lab...which was also around a year old. Joker had all his shots, but not the booster at 1 year. We took him to the vet the first day he started becoming lethargic, but it was too late. He passed away the next day. It was a very hard loss, as he was such a good dog. He will be greatly missed :(

The vet said Parvo is VERY hardy. It can survive in your yard for over a year, any weather. You can track it in on your shoe, anything. It can survive for months there....only way to kill it is with a bleach soliution.

[genevieve]

One good vet I knew at school said only way to get rid of parvo on the ground is to remove the top six inches of soil...

[slamm]

I know a person who had parvo in their "ground" for around 10 years, if they gave the parvo shots the pups/dogs would live, if they didn't all would die, shortly there after, this happened for years.

This all came from one dog that had parvo and wiped out every dog they owned at the time.

I have not had parvo (that we know of) on our ground or had any dogs die of it (that we know of). I also don't or haven't had many dogs vaccinated for it and never had any problems with it ...... possibly playing Russia Roulet, but that is how it has been. That I know of Hammer hasn't been vaccinated for it ever, and he is quite traveled 40+ states, possibly we are extremely lucky, LOL.

Not presenting this as an example of proper dog ownership just what has happened to this point, right or probably wrong.

Sam

[presagirls]

Sam, your dog has possibly been exposed to parvo at some point and developed antibodies against it. That is what a strong immune system is suppose to do. When pups are given the vaccines their immune system is suppose to develop antibodies to fight the disease. Another BIG reason to only give vaccines to a healthy pup! Last titer I ran on Tianna (about 4-5 yrs.ago) showed her antibodies up around 5000 (which is good and high; pups start around 150). Vet said she had probably been exposed to parvo and developed higher titers. I had a great conversation with a new vet about parvo and antibodies and exposure recently. That is why I like to run at least one titer to actually see if any antibodies were developed on pups......

Here is a new rabies vaccination info put out by the Arkansas Veterinary Medical Association (I am surprised they recommend titers!):

RABIES VACCINATIONS
New Recommendations

Recommendations for maintaining adequate pre-exposure immunization status: A routine booster every two years is NOT recommended since the newer cell culture vaccines often confer adequate antibody levels for 5 to 8 years and risk of adverse reactions is increased by frequent boosters. The standard pre-exposure recommendation for veterinarians practicing in an area with enzootic rabies is serologic testing every two years with booster vaccination when the antibody titer falls below the acceptable level, i.e. 1:5 by RFFIT.

[slamm]

Cathy, this is possible, I don't know. I know we haven't exactly broken the bank on vaccinations with our dogs. I can't ever remember a parvo shot being given, some dogs have been given the rabies shot, but not many and certainly not every year, more like once a lifetime. For the most part many of my pits and catahoulas were very well traveled 5-20 states, and were around a lot of other dogs when hunting and such, with blood and saliva being exchanged on both domestic and wild animals of all sorts and never have we experienced a problem. Given the fates of some dogs that I have heard about dying, I can only assume without titers that we have been lucky, but we sure must be extremely lucky, because in my 32 years of being on this farm with a few different breeds and 40-50 different dogs, I can only remember one dog dying of a chicken bone in the throat, one pup dying of what appeared to be eating a very old and rotten hog head, a few from old age and lead poisoning combination (basically they were just old and needed to go to heaven), many from culling young stock due to genetic physicological or mental issues, or weren't up to par and the rest have died either in the line of "work" or from lead poisoning because they didn't "work".

Again, I don't present this as an example of the correct thing to do, only as an example of what has been done and the results of it, in this case. Testing the "titers" would be a good way of checking if it is just literally dumb luck or something about feeding large dosses of blackbirds when pups are young, LOL.

Who knows,

Sam