Fraudulent UKC Registration Notice

[Texkowboz]

UKC Is Investigating The Fraudulent Registration Of Gara De Alacant Bull
Seems this dog has 2 different birthdays & 2 Sets of Papers The Original set of papers From UKC were given to Bill Thyfault When she came to the USA with G'kar as brother & sister,Then I Gary Goolsby Acquired Gara From Bill & Registered her in My name along with AKC & UPPCC
Then Trent Colbert Talked me about Her. I told Trent I did not really want to sell her But If he would buy my dog Maka out of G'kar & Nala I would give him Gara Because They were Buddies,and he could breed Gara 1 Time then retire her & I wanted the pick of the litter,but Him & Jamie Storey came to my town to pick them Up only Jamie hid at the convenience store while Trent came to my house to make the transaction. After I left for work Trent & Jamie came back to my house @ 4 Am Woke my Wife were Rude* To put it mildly* & Told her they didn't want Maka with an excuse that her hips were Shot,But My vet records Prove different. So Trent Stopped payment on his check of the final payment., Basicly He thought sense he only took 1 dog he had the right to change our written contract at will & only pay part of our agreed amount,which I gave him a price break because he was going to let them stay together & Gara retire with his family. I told him He could pay 3000.00 for Maka & I would give him Gara. Maka was 2 1/2 years old Gara was 7 years old & Both were due in Heat with in the next 45 days. When Trent didn't follow our agreement I told him I did not want a Pup Just send me the Price of the pick Pup & the balance of the bad check & I would send him the papers on Gara,He then told me he did not need papers That I was basically screwed.

NOW I realize what he was up to He registered Gara under a different number in the UKC & a differant DOB 10/18/99 UKC # P458-681 But He didn't realize that I would find that out Her real DOB is 3/14/99 the same as G'Kar's. He is not only done this but he is trying to breed an 8 year old dog back to back He has already breed her 1 time & got 8 pups,Risking health problems with her & potential puppies. Now he is also trying to sell her for 4000.00 with bogus papers
What a Guy huh?
reputable I think not!
I have all documentation to back up everything I have put in this note.
The main reason I am writing this is to put guys like this out of business and protect the breed!
P/S The Bad check was turned over to the Fla State Attorney office along with our contract & other documentation
Hopefully the State Attorney & the UKC will deal with Trent where he won't do these sort of things anymore! :toomad:

Gary Goolsby

[JSF13]

Nail the b*st*rds. :bite:

[eSPO]

Surprise,surprise. NOT.

[TOM]

HE ALMOST GOT ME, THANKS FOR THE INPUT.

[Texkowboz]

Trent has been desperately trying to breed GARA to our dog VITO DE ALACANT BULL the last couple of weeks. She's apparently in heat right now, or just was because he wanted to come down to breed this past Thursday and then again on Sunday. It actually could have been pretty funny, if he had left her (like most stud clients do) you could have just come and taken her back!

He tried to breed to this dog before but apparently couldn't pay money, he wanted to work out a trade and we of course weren't interested. He tried every angle he could with my partner and I but we said "no."
He then learned more recently that we had CO-owned VITO out and he found a way to contact the CO-owner and tried working another "deal" with him. He contacted me and I told him to tell Trent $2000.00 cash to breed and no "deals." After he told Trent he didn't hear from him again.

Thanks for the heads up!

ROSS

[eSPO]

Trent Colbert needs to go breed his bandogs, and mastiffs and "exotic" bullshit and leave the Presa alone , its much to tightly held for the likes of him.

[surfnplay12]

Hey tom were are you in illinois?

[Texkowboz]

I just got word back from 2 other breeders he is trying to breed Gara with.What an idiot :bite:

[TOM]

OGLESBY,IL.

[slamm]

Soon enough, people will start to learn why you should remove certain dogs from the gene pool instead of trying to make money off of them, especially that "last dollar", LOL

Here is yet another example of one person who is "done" with a dog, for whatever reason, and instead of culling or neutering the dog, they sell it, with the full knowledge that, that person will breed the dog.

Listen folks, if a dog leaves your house with it's heart still beating or with it's sexual organs still intact then just ASSume the new owner WILL breed the dog. Also, just add to that, ASSuption that the new owner won't have a clue as to what they are doing.

So, don't be suprised, it should be common knowledge by now, with this or any rare breed, LOL.

Sam

[slamm]

The main reason I am witting this is to put guys like this out of business and protect the breed!

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it you, that put them in business? At least with these dogs in question.

When you sell a dog with is sexual organs intact 9.999999 times out of 10 you are not doing much to "protect the breed".

Sam

[Texkowboz]

Yes This is True! In Our agreement He was ONLY suppose to breed Gara 1 time. Then let her Retire & be out of the Gene pool.He was told me she would spend her last years in a Loving home with his family. But as It shows Trent is all about the dollar,Not the well being of the dog or the Breed :mad:

[Texkowboz]

Well I did Not know before this sitiation what sort of person Trent was,Only now has he shown his true colors to me.I trusted him at his Word & Promises & what our Writen contract was. When you have your first dealing with anybody what guarantee do you have that they will do the right thing except their word. I'm only trying to let other people know not to trust Trent at his word.

[Boa]

It appears that the nature of this tread, which was to make others aware of a certain individual’s unethical behavior, has turned into an attack on the person who was victimized in this particular situation. The contractual agreement was stated clearly and one member of the party did not follow through with his contractual part of that agreement cut and dry.

Now, if any of us agreed with the stated terms of the contract involving these two gentlemen is not the discussion here; nor is it the reason that Gary posted this unfortunate situation. He is simple trying to let others know to be aware of this person and his lack of business ethics. You live you learn and I’m sure we all have had something like this happen to us and the best defense is to correct your business practices for the next time and inform others if possible and I believe Gary has done both.

I have personally done business with Gary and he is a very straight up business man first and foremost. As business owners you must “NEVER” forget to treat each potential customer as a business transaction first and not as a friend that you are doing a favor for. If you don’t have the money now come back when you do and I will gladly sell you the dogs if I still have them available or send me a check and “once it clears” you can come and pick up the dogs. There will always be someone with a story that sounds good, but to keep everyone honest you have to play “business hard ball” or “no ball at all” especially with our beloved breed! :ok:

[Texkowboz]

Thank You Anthony :ok:
Very eloquently put!

[Texkowboz]

Orig Sent 2-22-07)
He did respond...but, not satisfactorily. The Disciplinary Committee met again regarding this matter and disciplinary action is being taken against Mr. Colbert. You will see the notice of action published in the next issue of our BLOODLINES publication. I'm not at liberty to say anything further until I receive notice that he has been notified.

You might just be aware that he says he is no longer using Gara as a breeding female and that she has been placed in a pet home. As long as you are the registered owner of the correct papers, I thought you may be interested.

Thank you for making us aware of this situation and I hope everything turns out for the best.

Cindy Stickley
Manager of Special Projects
UNITED KENNEL CLUB, INC.

[Texkowboz]

Mr Goolsby
Yes, Trent Colbert has been notified and it has been published in our magazine that he is barred indefinitely.

I do not know where Gara resides. As I told you previously, just as a heads up, all I know is that Trent said he sold her to a pet home.

There were four pups in Gara's litter that Trent Colber registered. Two of them are not registered. One of them is registered to Trent as Fear Inspiring Thunder



All of these pups registration numbers are blocked! Given the fact that her UKC registration was falsifed at the time of the litter registration.

Hope you get this. Have a great day!

Cindy Stickley
Manager of Special Projects
UNITED KENNEL CLUB, INC.

[maddymac077]

Can anyone hepl me,i have one of the pups from the littler of Gara, What happens to registration.i possible was going to breed him with my female. Is there a way to get papers, or am i just screwed.

[surfnplay12]

Hopfully your screwed the last thing we need is another puppymiller if your going to try and breed get rott that breed is already f*cked leave this one be.

[Texkowboz]

Yes the registration is Frozen Right Now ,But I can Help You!
Have you contacted Trent?

[maddymac077]

hey surfnplay12 WHO THE HELL ARE YOU.you dont know anything about me.first things first there are many factors in breeding dogs you ass.. first is a solid temperment and then the is hip testing . i certainlly don't just put dogs toghether and just let them breed.as i just could have because my female just went into her secon heat and was ready and my male was 10 months and ready to go.but that would be the wrong thing you jerk. iused to breed rotts and all dogs were hip tested and when one had bad hips she was taken out of gene pool and spayed.

[surfnplay12]

I am sure you are just what this breed needs :ok: What a tool.

[yhantzee taylor]

:confused: for one gary I know Trent and Jamie and i understand how bad the conditions were the dogs were in. For second you do bad buisness because you sent my friend a mixed runt on trade for good dogs. Plus Trent has tried to contact you several times and the coward you are you won't even pick the phone up. AND IF SOMEONE GIVES YOU A DOG TO HELP YOU OUT YOU JUST DONT SELL IT BECAUSE HER AND THE OTHER DOG WERE CLOSE. i THINK YOU ARE A BAD BREEDER AND NEED TO HANG IT UP. YHANTZEE TAYLOR

[Texkowboz]

Well If your associated With Trent ,Mr TAYLOR,I know I don't want anything to do with you.Trent Falisfied papers & I guess you condone that,and finished paying for the Gara with a bad check,Her Health was Fine! He just looked for excuses not to pay & not to give me the pick of the litter,As far as a coward,Which 1 of the 2 guys hid when Trent came to my house to pick up Gara? Ignore his calls? He just kept giving me the run around ,I told him to contact me when he had the rest of the money,& I would send him the papers. And as far as a mixed dog,You got me mixed up with 1 of your buddies They are the 1's breeding blue Presa's.,You are exacting the main reason I don't post on here,Is Guys like you don't know all the facts before they open thier mouth!,I have all the documents to back up what I'm saying about Trent.
And so does the State Attorney's office . I'm Not going to debate this with you,because you certainly don't know the facts.If you did Trent would not be your Buddy,Unless your just like him,Which means you are a waste of time & effort to even reply to

[Texkowboz]

And If your Buddy Trent is such a Stand up guy,Why did he sell maddymac077 a Puppy with Bad papers & Refuse to give a portion of his money back,When he dicovered what Trent had done to him?
Trent Could Get the pups papered if he wanted to do the right thing.
But It is not in him to do the right thing,He will always be shady & Try to do shady deals :bite: ,I'm not so sure that Mr Taylor is not really Trent :eek:

[yhantzee taylor]

little gary just tell me if the dog was given to you why did you sell her. AND THE DOG YOU SENT MY BUDDY FRED LOOKED LIKE A PRESA CROSS WITH SHEPARD AND IS EXTREMELY FUNNY LOOKING. I DONT KNOW YOU BUT IF I DID I WOULD LOVE TO TALK TO YOU IN PERSON, HEY BUT DONT GET TO SERIOUS BECAUSE IM SURE THE DOG YOU SENT FRED WAS NOT YOUR BEST ONE. SEE YOU LATER GARY NO HARD FEELINGS

[Texkowboz]

The pup Fred Got I DID NOT Select that Pup For him,I had 2 males left, And the choice was not made by me, but that dogs sister Just got a blue ribbon at a UKC show in Virgina a month ago. The others in that litter,the owners are content,All the males are over 100lbs now @ 9 mths & Mine she is about 90lbs
This is a pic of her at 4 mths & To be honest that male did look better @ 8 weeks,And She was the pup that was left after everone else picked their pup ,I just deciced to keep her & she turned out great to me,She is been at a trainer for the past 30 days
And as Far as The purchase of Gara
I Sold Trent Maka & told him If he bought Maka, I would give Gara as a 2 for 1 deal. But I did not want to sell Gara,,Because the 2 got along great being Gara didn't seem to get along with other females & He promised to give her a Good home with his family & she could retire with his family,He is the 1 that did not live up to what was agreed on He just figured a way to scam me ,Just has he has done others along this journey, And Then He told UKC that he sold Gara. Plus He Tried To breed Her back to backWhy aren't you critical of him for falsifiying papers? Or upset that he Sold pups with false papers? Without even telling unsuspecting people,And when they call him on it he just says tuff luck about get any money back,Do you condone What Trent has done? :confused: Is there any justifacation for his actions?Should UKC & other registies just allow people like him do make their owns set of papers?
I only started this to warn people of his actions ,Not to start a bunch of BS
UKC & the State Attorney office and if the buyers of the pups decide to sue him Which I would be happy to be a witness to :D , Will punish him more than any thing I could ever say about him
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[mmafighter]

Soon enough, people will start to learn why you should remove certain dogs from the gene pool instead of trying to make money off of them, especially that "last dollar", LOL

Here is yet another example of one person who is "done" with a dog, for whatever reason, and instead of culling or neutering the dog, they sell it, with the full knowledge that, that person will breed the dog.

Listen folks, if a dog leaves your house with it's heart still beating or with it's sexual organs still intact then just ASSume the new owner WILL breed the dog. Also, just add to that, ASSuption that the new owner won't have a clue as to what they are doing.

So, don't be suprised, it should be common knowledge by now, with this or any rare breed, LOL.

Sam

Well, you've proven yourself to be educated and realistic...Why you have come off as such an ignorant, jerkoff, sad excuse for a human, father, and cultivator of this breed in my prior posts is beyond me...Maybe you just have a cornhusk or 2 lodged up in $ss today or you just didn't have a logical response to my comments so you made yourself out to be an inbred moron...

[surfnplay12]

What are you talking about mmafighter? Why the hell are you replying to a post that is so old? Just to start shit? Stop acting like a little girl and calling names Sam probably didn't respond to you because your actin like a fool if you want to be takin seriously start acting like an adult so we know your not just some little 12 year old on the internet trying to get a reaction.

[mmafighter]

What are you talking about mmafighter? Why the hell are you replying to a post that is so old? Just to start shit? Stop acting like a little girl and calling names Sam probably didn't respond to you because your actin like a fool if you want to be takin seriously start acting like an adult so we know your not just some little 12 year old on the internet trying to get a reaction.

And just by reading this thread, I can tell you are also another board prick and asshole breeder...Why draw attention to yourself after ur idiotic posts in this thread? No wonder I see alot of good breeders here with 10 posts and under and then they never come back....Everyone here has an attitude...JJ's is one of the better kennels out there and still there are guys here that try and slander him...unreal....No wonder capresas, purepresaperfection and many others post on different boards....

[Kiroman]

Your a genious, thats why they post on other boards. YOU FIGURED IT OUT!!! I wish I could be more like you...

[JSF13]

MMAFIGHTER. What,this guy stutters and fights his mother?.That must be it because the disciplines involved in real martial arts teach non-aggressive behavior, respect for self and others and self discipline.

"The world is full of people who are determined to be somebody or to give trouble. They want to get ahead, to stand out. Such ambition has no use for a gung fu man, who rejects all forms of self-assertiveness and competition:" Bruce Lee.

[mmafighter]

MMAFIGHTER. What,this guy stutters and fights his mother?.That must be it because the disciplines involved in real martial arts teach non-aggressive behavior, respect for self and others and self discipline.

"The world is full of people who are determined to be somebody or to give trouble. They want to get ahead, to stand out. Such ambition has no use for a gung fu man, who rejects all forms of self-assertiveness and competition:" Bruce Lee.

"real martial arts" are you kidding me? Well, I'll take it as a compliment that you recognize that I am no traditional martial artist. I came here with a positive attitude and immediately realized that this place is full of people who own presa's so that they can have meaning to their life and be someone. It's just a hobby for me, I don't make a living off of it. "real" martial arts are good for structure and discipline but they give you a false sense of security. Just because you learned your sensae's Katta, doesn't mean you can protect yourself...If you guys had respect for others, I would be seeing so many posts slandering other breeders so think about that. You guys respect your little community or click and that's about it. If being on this board give';s you meaning to life and having people think you're an "expert", then more power to ya....

[JSF13]

Sorry. I guess I should practice what I preach.;) I guess I haven't kept on top of everything that goes down on this board,and I have no idea why you seem to be so upset with a some of the posters here,but your personal attacks and use of profanity did strike me the wrong way. Surely if you have a case to make you could make it in a sane and logical way rather than resorting to such childish tactics. Hopefully if you are a mixed martial arts practitioner, you exercise better judgement than this when someone disagrees with you, rather than striking out in anger.

[mmafighter]

Sorry. I guess I should practice what I preach.;) I guess I haven't kept on top of everything that goes down on this board,and I have no idea why you seem to be so upset with a some of the posters here,but your personal attacks and use of profanity did strike me the wrong way. Surely if you have a case to make you could make it in a sane and logical way rather than resorting to such childish tactics. Hopefully if you are a mixed martial arts practitioner, you exercise better judgement than this when someone disagrees with you, rather than striking out in anger.

I think I just got off on the wrong foot...I've got some quality animals myself, albeit my main purpose is because I love dogs and have gotten to absolutely love this breed. I've got 3 dogs, all from either curto, gaurdian angel, or pride rock lines...I've got a pic of my oldest female with my yorkie that I will post as soon as I get on that pc. I just happened to wander upon a couple people with attitudes so my first impression was a bad one and I'm sure there are plenty of good people. I do fight in various mma sanctions and have teammates that fight in the ufc. I've never been arrested for battery and I never strike first. I guess I'm like my presa's in that respect, I don't attack unless my loved one's are in danger or I am in danger myself. I've got a pruple belt in BJJ and years of training in muay thai, wrestling and boxing...Not that it matters, just a little of my back ground...

[surfnplay12]

I love how anybody that doesnt go with the flow and support anybody with two dogs that calls them self a breeder is a jerk. You dont even relieze that by supporting these bullshit breeders you are harming th breed you claim to love. I thank God for the voices of reason on this board instead of just supporting anyone who with a fancy website. You say JJs kennels is one of the best breeders in the breed? Why what makes them this? I am not even going to comment on your purepresaperfection statment there is no need. You see were I am going with this it is nothing personal its about the breed not you not anyone THE BREED. I have been around and seen dogs from everywere here and abroad and trust me man what is being breed here 95% of the time is shit and taking the breed down a destructive path. I wish people would come here understand what is going on instead of getting defensive PEOPLE HERE THAT YOU SAY ARE ASSHOLES CARE ABOUT THE BREED NOT THE MONEY THAT CAN BE MADE OF IT. If your new stick around long enough to see what goes on this breed before you make a judgement on the people of this board. This is not a feel good board people will call you out on bs get used to it if you dont like that go to one of the feel good boards there is plenty of support going on there lol.

[JSF13]

MMA, things are not always what they seem here. Those who are fairly new to the breed or community aren't really aware of the "Presa Wars" that took place a few years ago, before the Dogo Canario was born. A lot of hostilities still remain from that period. Just try being a little patient as you learn who is who here and you will find that every regular here has the best interests of the Presa Canario at heart, first and foremost. ;)

[mmafighter]

Well, you guys seem to really dislike show stoppers, I haven't seen any of their animals but they have been around forever and pretty much got this breed kick started in the USA...Southern Rock kennels also has very, very good dogs. I'll take a handful of quality dogs over a puppy mill type breeder any day. I don't think you should take your smallest female and breed it to your "biggest" make as I have heard some people say. that doesn't balance the breed. if it's a subpar female, alter her and find her a loving home. I don't care how good the hips are or the pedigree, if you have a vicious animal that only you can handle or be around, it should not be bred either IMO....Too many poeple are in this for the money and are breeding animals that IMO are not helping better the breed. They just can't afford not to breed them...And that's my stance as far as that's concerned...Business practices and ethics is a whole other area that I won't even get into...

[Kiroman]

Well, you guys seem to really dislike show stoppers, I haven't seen any of their animals but they have been around forever and pretty much got this breed kick started in the USA...Southern Rock kennels also has very, very good dogs.

Man, you have got a lot to learn!!! Please do a bit of research......PLEASE!!! You may learn something and not have a need to come off as a badass.

[yy1207]

since you know that there are too many people in it for the money, u should know better than to support some of the breeders of your dogs

[mmafighter]

MMA, things are not always what they seem here. Those who are fairly new to the breed or community aren't really aware of the "Presa Wars" that took place a few years ago, before the Dogo Canario was born. A lot of hostilities still remain from that period. Just try being a little patient as you learn who is who here and you will find that every regular here has the best interests of the Presa Canario at heart, first and foremost. ;)

You seem like a wise and reasonable person...I respect you for your honesty and humanity...Too many of these assholes have the " iam god" complex going on and whether I stay here or not, I believe that will untimately run this board into the ground, or it will end up with 20 active posters and that's it...

[slamm]

Well, you guys seem to really dislike show stoppers, I haven't seen any of their animals but they have been around forever and pretty much got this breed kick started in the USA


This is not meant in any negative light against SS, but this statement alone shines of such pure ignorance (not necessarily stupid, just a simple lack of knowledge) that it baffles the mind.

It would do you much good, to either go back about 5 or more years worth of posts and read everyone of them.............and read for comprehesion, or make some type of attempt to understand that you don't really know crap about what is/has gone on with this breed and what will go on with this breed if certain steps aren't taken.

This site is not perfect, it is made up of unperfect souls such as myself, but a touchy lovey place it is not. If you like Irish Setters great........nothing wrong with that but go to a Irish Setter board, and discuss whatever fancys you, same with the dogo. If you want to come on here with not so much as a picture of your pooch, talking crap to everyone else, about what you have and will do, then you had better back it up with more than just jibber, jabber. Hint, pictures go along way in proving something in world of internet commandos. Additionally, threats over the internet is paramount to playground kids calling each other names, LOL.

My opinion,

Sam

[mmafighter]

since you know that there are too many people in it for the money, u should know better than to support some of the breeders of your dogs

Honestly man, the only breeders that I really "know" are capresas. I have been down to visit them probably 5 times and consider them friends. They are welcome in my home anytime and I feel like family when I am down visiting them. I happen to know that they don't make their money off their dogs. It's strictly done for the love of the breed. They are honest, good people and they probably live in a house that's worth more than anyone's here and they made the money off of other businesses, not that it is any of my business or anyone elses' here...I'm sure getting money out of their pups is the last thing on their mind. Hell, look at their site. They have 5 adults that are from good lines that they are selling very cheap to "pet" homes because they are not desirable breeders in their eyes. I commend that. I bet most would keep them and breed em anyways, just to have puppies to sell...2 of my dogs came from them and the other from purepresaperfection. I don't know much about them other than they were very professional in handling the transaction and have stayed in touch afterwards...Hell, capresas screens their prospective buyers to make sure they are going to good homes and aren't being bought for fighting dogs or junk yard dogs...

[mmafighter]

This is not meant in any negative light against SS, but this statement alone shines of such pure ignorance (not necessarily stupid, just a simple lack of knowledge) that it baffles the mind.

It would do you much good, to either go back about 5 or more years worth of posts and read everyone of them.............and read for comprehesion, or make some type of attempt to understand that you don't really know crap about what is/has gone on with this breed and what will go on with this breed if certain steps aren't taken.

This site is not perfect, it is made up of unperfect souls such as myself, but a touchy lovey place it is not. If you like Irish Setters great........nothing wrong with that but go to a Irish Setter board, and discuss whatever fancys you, same with the dogo. If you want to come on here with not so much as a picture of your pooch, talking crap to everyone else, about what you have and will do, then you had better back it up with more than just jibber, jabber. Hint, pictures go along way in proving something in world of internet commandos. Additionally, threats over the internet is paramount to playground kids calling each other names, LOL.

My opinion,

Sam

Here are the penn hip results and a picture of the very first presa I bought, and it was from capresas 2 1/2 years ago,

http://www.elpresa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24972&page=3

I've got nothing to hide or lie about...If anyone has any questions about me or my animals, just ask...Obviously I'm into presas, fighting and I also have a highly modified 2006 dodge diesel, daily driver but I'm getting 800 horse to the ground...Snakes are also a hobby of mine, I've got a couple different boa constrictor morph's...Not to mention, I have been on bodybuilding boards since 2000 and have never met such a group of negative and self proclaimed experts in my life....

[Kiroman]

maybe if you have visited some brain building boards, you would not come off as some asshole.

You know of one breeder, and you wonder why people challenge you on the crap you spout. Open your mind...

And I bet your right, CApresas's house is probably worth more than anyone here; we are all poor hobos... maybe you can ask them to loan you some sense??

[yy1207]

:D:D:Dhahaha...thats a funny one, kiroman!