Some Hoghunting Pictures...

[De la Arena]

Hello, now I have checked how I can add pics...


Here are some Hoghunting pics.
Hoghunting is a very good work for our breed. A wildhog never train/bulid up the dog like a figurant/decoy. The wildhog is everytime against the dog.
So it is a very intressting test to see what is realy in your dog. A dog without the right character have realy no change to hold the wildhog.
But it is not easy, it is a high risk for the dog. Many good dogs are dead at hunting wildhogs. No dog is stronger than a wild hog! A wildhog is everytime a gigant enimy for any dog.

Hoghunting is hunting and it have nothing to do with illegal animal-fights like dogfights or something like that!!! It is a traditional work for our breed!




http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v487/dogocanariogermany/GatterjagdTop1.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v487/dogocanariogermany/Keiler.jpg
A wildhog like that is a very hard job for a dog. The best dog of the world will never hold this wildhog for a long time.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v487/dogocanariogermany/KeilermitSultn.jpg


When anyone enjoy this pics, I will add some hoghunting pics again...

[rdl]

Difficult to come to any conclusion or even an impresion from your pictures. Only the first one had the dog visible. I want to see the dog with a grip on the hogs nose!!!

[De la Arena]

I must check my hoghunting-pictures. Many of my pictures are not digital jet, but I will scan them soon... And than you will see some nice grips...

Here are some mixed pictures first... (Not all of the pics are from me).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v487/dogocanariogermany/SauhatzMonsterKuni.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v487/dogocanariogermany/SAuhatzKuni3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v487/dogocanariogermany/0007Sauhatz2.jpg

http://img.photobucket/albums/v487/dogocanariogermany/sauhatz.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v487/dogocanariogermany/AlanoGatterjagd.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v487/dogocanariogermany/SauhatzKuni4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v487/dogocanariogermany/SauhatzKuni.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v487/dogocanariogermany/sauhatz.jpg

[Kristine]

That's just cruel :eek:

What's the point of this again?

Kristine

To see if the dog has the right stamina and drive.

In Europe we are not realy used to these kind of pics, but in the USA it is quite common to practise this.

Not my cup of tea.

[Kristine]

:rolleyes:

I'm glad this is illegal where I live. We have other ways to prove a dog's courage, drive etc.
But, whatever makes you guys happy...

Kristine

[eSPO]

I can`t think of a better way to provide your dog with an outlet to do something more along the lines of its original task than anything. I am glad to say that there are parts of the country where hog catching is a profession that pays to exteminate these pests who overrun large areas of land and multiply out of control and ruin crops. Sam is just about to have the time of his life in Florida, where the pests are a total nuisance.

We shoot pests. Easier, cleaner and more animal friendly.

[presas4me]

From what I have heard most of the hog catches are a glorified "canned" hunt. What about one of the last trials were there were about 60 dogs on only a couple hogs? Doesn't seem fair for the hogs if so many dogs are able to catch them. Seems pretty brutal to me........

[Kristine]

We shoot pests. Easier, cleaner and more animal friendly.

And a lot more effective! :D

Kristine

[eSPO]

Just not as fun . . . . :D

I do not think the hog agrees on this ;)
Do you?


What is your opinion about the bullfighting in Spain?
Funny as well?

[josebrwn]

I'm not a big hunter but I'm no bleeding heart either. I think life is a cruel affair, and hunting is an inalienable right. I think the sentiments behind "animal rights" are hypocritical. If hunting and killing are cruel, is it not heartless and cruel for any animal to hunt another? Why is it "natural" and "beautiful" for a wild dog to hunt and kill prey, but not a domestic dog, let alone a human? Aren't we just another species, like any other? Didn't we evolve with dogs, to hunt? Isn't that why we enjoy it? So why limit our grieving for an animal killed by a human? Isn't far greater cruelty committed in slaughterhouses? Yet, we still eat meat, we feed it to our dogs. The very design of the dog and other carnivories is based on cruelty. How can we love the predatory design and nature of the dog, but hate the thing that the dog was designed to do?

Hog hunting in the American South is a necessity. I support it 100%. You should too. And if you want to learn about how bleeding heart liberalism is eroding our rights and threatening our dogs, check out the National Animal Interest Alliance, http://www.naiaonline.org/

[blas_t]

Hey here is a suggestion to the moderator, next time put a warning that photo'ws may disturb some people, when posting images that are contraversial.

Hey here is a suggestion those that don't like seeing this kind of thing, dont look at it.

To label hunting of a pest cruel, because your mom plopped you down in front of the Bambi movie one to many times as a kid, is opinion that should be kept to yourself , because until it is a problem that directly effects you, you really dont have a true impression regarding why this is legal, and not a banned sport. And besides, don't you remember what the hogs did to Ol'Yellar?
If you are so against things of this nature, why on earth would you become involved with a breed with that has a history of participating in exactly this type of function?

Boy, boys, boys,......Chill!!!! LOL!!

:D

Don't give me the this is the dogs nature crap and the thats why he is bred stuff.
It's you! You guys love the sport, like you love guns, fast motors, Free fighting and other boy things.

hog catching is a profession that pays to exteminate these pests and.....keeps the boys from the streets!!! LOL!!!

Like I said, shooting pests is cleaner, more friendly for the animal and mutch more effective. Using a dog, is just for the fun of it.
Boys toys :D


BTW, I'm surely not animal activist, what has to be done, has to be done. If there are hogs that ruin crops and kill baby cattle, I say sure! Kill the basterds! But using the dogs is not the easiest way, thats bull.

[eSPO]

I know there was a single event where the hog to dog ratio was very low.
I have been to a couple pen catches and I`m telling you, the action is furious and the competition is tough. There is nothing like seeing a hog lay into a dog, send him sailing back ten feet and watching the dog hit em again with pure courage and drive. A good pen catch is very impressive.
I can`t wait for the next one.

[josebrwn]

But using the dogs is not the easiest way, thats bull.

No, you're wrong. It is the easiest way. Think about it: rice fields, East Texas, heavy forest, swamps, snakes, bugs. Hot, nasty place. The farmers hire hunters to take the feral hogs that destroy their crops. A feral hog can do a lot of damage. They ruin fields and cause a lot of financial damage. Farmers have a hard time making ends meet, without 300 lb. voracious, digging, aggressive, omnivorous animals attacking their crops and fields.

The hunters are professionals and the dogs are professionally certified. The dogs are segregated into tasks by breed. First, you have your bay dogs. they locate the quarry, they're not involved with the catch. the hunters follow with the catch dogs. they follow in behind the bay dogs and make the catch, just holding the hog long enough for the hunter to arrive. the kill is made by the hunter, quickly and efficiently.

it's an efficient system, and really the only way to do it. out of this comes recreational hunting and quick catch competitions, but the practical application comes first. this is the way things work, out of practical activities evolve sports. sports develop because they hone skills, they appeal to our competitive urges, they show who's best, and they're fun.

web resources are hard to find. hog hunters aren't exactly prolific writers and designers. doesn't quite go together. Putnam's book on the American Bulldog has a long section on hog hunting that's pretty good. Tx-Outdoors has some good articles on the sport

http://www.tx-outdoors.com/wild_boar/

now just ask yourself, forget about the gory details a sec. if there's a practical use for bulldogs, presas, dogos, that tests their natural skills, in a non-sterile, real-life scenario, maybe it's not all bad? even if it's not your cup of tea, you have to admire, however grudgingly, the dogs well-bred enough that can do this work.

have a look at your dog. could she do this work? if not, can you really call her a Presa? are we forgetting what the word "Presa" actually means? just a thought...

I do agree with you on some points. If it is done professionaly, yes. But like you said, the recreational part I do not agree on.
Like the bullfighting in Spain. First it is just mustering the bulls and bringing him back to the farm or maybe slaughter. Now 4 to 5 bull are killed in 1 hour, just for the fun. I have lived in Spain and I saw this every week on tv. It was sickening.

Where does it stop? Being a pro and a pro using good trained dogs that know what to do is different than amateurs letting there dogs biting and molesting a animal just for the fun of it.


And yes, I do know what presa means. Gripping/holding.
And they do grip and they do hold :D
I use junks, drunks and anyone that comes to close to me and my family........LOL!!!! :rolleyes: Joke.

[Dogma]

Quote from above post:
["Where does it stop? Being a pro and a pro using good trained dogs that know what to do is different than amateurs letting there dogs biting and molesting a animal just for the fun of it."]

Well, first off where are these amateurs that let their dogs bite & molest an animal just for the fun of it at? Where did you get this info from?

Pen work is a needed tool, in training hunting dogs! Would you just throw you child in a swiming pool and say, swim, just move your arms & legs! NO WAY- You would take your child to lesson/training, so they can learn properly!
Same thing here- you want your dog to be properly trained, so your dog or yourself does not get hurt/killed! No one starts off being a pro, everyone has to learn lessons!

And for the person stating about the Hog comp, that had a high dog to hog ratio, you need to get out to current comps, I have not heard about any comps like that for some years now!! It is much better to experience things first hand then to hear about it later, from others.... Nothing like first hand experience!!!

Nice to see people using their dogs for what they where bred to do!!!

Hunting Hogs with Dogs a Southern Tradition!!!! :)

[Ji]

I dont post here, in fact this is my first, but I agree 100%. This IS exactly what these dogs were bred to do.

It makes no sense to gripe about hog hunting with dogs when you say you love the dogs that are designed to do it. This is an activity that these dogs were developed to do, along with other activities that are very similar. Its a great test for the dogs and is ONE of the very reasons they exist today. It is legal, there are dogs that love to do it, and the hogs are pests .... nothing wrong with that. If you dont agree than you shouldnt be owning a presa, american bulldog, or many of the other bull and molloser breeds that exist today because they are here because of this and other similar activities. Its a bit hypocritical. Protection of persons and property from wild animals and theives, bull and boar baiting, ect, ect .... made these breeds what they are today and nothing is closer to these activities than hog catching and PP work. In fact, dogs shouldnt be bred if they dont excell at these activities ... because if they dont they arent proper specimins of the breed! Period!

Now, 60 dogs on just a few hogs, thats not right! But hunting hogs in the wild, with dogs is no different than hunting pheasants with labs, I bet I could post a few pics of this years bag and it wouldnt bother you .... this is no different.

OK, enough rambling ... LOL.

JMO :D

Best wishes!

[Ji]

BTW please dont take that post as trying to be rude, I certainly wasnt, sometimes messages on a forum are misinterperated when you cant hear a persons tone in their voice and see their facial expressions.

Just a friendly debate and my opinion!

:ok:

OK, what to do with a Boerboel?
Bred for keeping black people out of your yard even killing them.

[Ji]

Dont know why it has to be only black people, Im sure in the day the boerboel would have kept a white person out as well, I doubt the dog cares. But nevermind that whole can of worms;Sounds like a good candidate for PP work ..... although they were also used to defend persons and property from African wildlife, whether that wildlife was predatory in nature or simply a nussance (spell) such as our boar is today.... catchwork sounds like a good test for them as well, probably is for any of these breeds. Lots of these breeds were used for more than just a single purpose, many were multifunctional, which of course includes catch type work AND defense....... in one form or another.