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ButchCappel
1st April 2004, 13:12
Good answers, now if I may I will add a few small items.
Cell phones & 911 are definitely the best answer, but do not remain in the driveway while calling. As soon as you see something in your home suspicious, especially at night,
Leave your lights on and back out of the drive. Park at the curb, on the garage side of the house. If you remain in the drive for the phone call you alert the thief that you are home and they can immediately exit from the back of the house.
From the street, you can see the front and part of the back yard as well as enter the back from the side gate if needed.

No cell phone? One spouse, or older child, goes across the street to a neighbors and asks them to call 911. From across the street you can still view everything that is going on in front of your house.

That is the smart and correct thing to do, but! Let’s say the trip you had been on was a K9PS competition and your dog had just earned his PPDX title. While returning and celebrating you had been sipping “Testosterone Shakes”, your kids had watched Terminator III with the sound turned up all the way home, and your wife had just cried out “Oh no! I’ll never replace the family photographs they steal!” Could you really let that slime just slink away? Of course not! Grabbing your leash and ripping open your shirt revealing the giant “S” that stands for “SUBURBANMAN” you employ proper tactical deployment to maximize safety and help capture the skuzznuts.

Spouse remains in parked car viewing front of house, garage side gate and partial backyard. Spouse with dog deploys to far, “Bedroom side” of house opening the side gate to watch the back yard. The entire house is now being watched for escape.
Spouse in car will honk horn if anyone exits the front yard before the police arrive.

Now if “sticky fingers” exits before the cops appearance you can at least get a description, or maybe, well, you could scream “Halt! Or I will send the dog” This could have 2 possible outcomes. 1. Punk thinks he is caught and surrenders 2. Punk suddenly finds athletic ability he never knew he had and runs faster and is able to leap chain link fences in a single bound. Even scenario 2 would mean that Sleaze would have to drop the loot to clear the fence so the family photo album would have been dropped and you would still be a hero.

There is a 3rd scenario, but that would involve AK 47s’ and you are in a good position of escape, and as a K9PS member probably don’t do the drugs this scenario would usually require.

Listen Well, Bite Hard

josebrwn
1st April 2004, 22:59
pretty good .. but another thing: you have to assume the burglar is armed and will shoot you with no hesitation. I've been told the best place for your dog is on leash by your side, at *all* times. this is right?

ButchCappel
2nd April 2004, 13:31
Jose,

The mans position at the back bedroom side of the house allows him to look out and stay behind cover at the same time, in case there is a gun.
It also allows for a quick escape to the front of the house with the dog, while also allowing observation for a description

The dog would be on leash at this time, sorry, I thought that was understood. The general rule of the dog "always on leash" definitely
applies here and is a rule I will revisit in future scenarios.

slamm
3rd April 2004, 03:25
Is it legal to "release the dogs" once you see him and he does not stop?

Thanks,

Sam

ButchCappel
5th April 2004, 16:33
As always state property and defense laws will vary, though only slightly.
Sooo, in general you can not send your dog on any one not threatening you. The job of a PP dog as defined by the K9PS RULE BOOK is "a dog used for defense" A dog in the Pro division is defined as "a dog used to apprehend." By those standards you wouldn't expect a PP dog to be sent.

In Texas a dog can bite in defense of its' property as well as its family so sending the dog would be legal. In Michigan the dog can protect the person, but not the property, however, if the dog is "provoked" by someone the dog "can" bite, so if you percieve the dog as being "provoked " by an intruder in your home then it could be legal to send. But that is why you should really check the laws in your state to see where the limits or restrictions are.

If you have a certain state in mind let me know which ones and I probably have the statutes in my files.

20th May 2004, 22:21
How about in California?

slamm
22nd May 2004, 04:43
Illinois and Arkansas.

Thank you,

Sam

ButchCappel
27th May 2004, 14:27
The dog bite statutory law of Illinois
510 ILCS 5/16:
Sec. 16.
If a dog or other animal, without provocation, attacks or injures any person who is peaceably conducting himself in any place where he may lawfully be, the owner of such dog or other animal is liable in damages to such person for the full amount of the injury sustained.

Arkansas is a "free bite" state, that means that if the owner of the dog has knowledege of a prior bite, or attack, by the dog they are strictly liable. Most "free bite" states have few written statutes and that makes it difficult for anyone but a lawyer to know how a case may turn out, but you do have to know the dog has bitten before to consider the dog vicious.

California holds the owner responsible if the dog bites anyone in a public place or that is "lawfully" on private property. Lawful presence is any government agent such as, mail carrier, police, fire, etc. or any other person on the property with an invitation either "express or implied"

So in our tactical deployment situation we would be covered if done in the manner described.

2nd June 2004, 15:28
Thank you.

slamm
3rd June 2004, 00:35
Could you please explain what "free bite" state means, specifically the "free bite" part. What is free? Is it that, for the first bite, the owner isn't liable?

Sam Nelson

ButchCappel
4th June 2004, 14:34
Sam,
That's about right. Owner is not held liable criminally until he knows the dog is vicious or has bitten.
Remember though in this country you can always be held liable "Civilly"
that is why we are famous for our lawsuits.
However without a criminal charge to back up the civil lawsuit a lawyer in a "free bite" state will want a bigger retainer to get involved, which means less likelyhood of a lawsuit getting started.

slamm
6th June 2004, 16:40
Owner is not held liable criminally until he knows the dog is vicious or has bitten.
How does the "law" look upon bite work as a means to "knowing" your dog will bite or has bitten someone. For instance say, my dog has never bitten someone "for real", and I did bite work in the front yard were every neighbor could see and witness that my dog will/has bitten someone (the decoy), then someone "for real" agitates her from the road (not my property, thus, not trespassing) and she goes out and bites them. Can I be criminally charged (This is all hypothetical).
Also, legally how would I answer the question of do I "know" she would bite someone when the bites have been with a decoy/trainer and not a real live bite of someones flesh in a non-training/testing manner. In the eyes of the court are these equally weighed circumstances, for instances if she bites a sleeved decoy versus biting a little kid are both these instances look upon in the same manner? Is a bite a bite?

Thanks,

Sam

ButchCappel
7th June 2004, 16:55
Sam,
Very good questions. The law has almost no recognition of any thing known as "bite training" although you, myself, and a very small group of others are consumed by this type of training and competitions. Truth is almost noone, numerically speaking, knows this thing we do even exists.
As a result this question about a training bite has never come up in a court, that I am aware of.

A bite that inflicts no harm would probabaly not be considered a bite, it would also probably never have been reported, therefore it would have no legal life and I would certainly not volunteer any info about training history.

If any one brings up that you are "attack training" your dog you simply show your K9PS PPD certification with the definition of your traiing which is that you have taken the extra measures to teach your dog WHEN not to bite unless you order it and also this training includes teaching the dgo to STOP biting in command. But again why volunteer information that hasn't been asked for?

WyoPresa
17th August 2004, 12:30
How about Wyomings law?

ButchCappel
17th August 2004, 13:53
Wyoming is a "one bite" state.

ButchCappel
20th August 2004, 13:51
Footnote to the Wyoming laws. I should have added this in the first answer.

Though Wyoming has no state dangerous dog laws, individual counties or municipalities can enact their own statutes. Check your local govt and see what they have on the books, don't take anyones word for it, ask for the statute # and look it up yourself.