The Presas of John, from UK!

[Paolo Consolandi]

Hi all.
At the URL http://www.elpresa.com/gallery/members you can find now a new gallery of a member of this forum, J7 (John).
John is from UK and he owns a security firm; he is a member of the forum since Mar 2003 but he never posted, just watched ;)
He will send us more pics in the next days of his Presas, for now these are the pics:

http://www.elpresa.com/albums/j7/kena.jpg
Kena de Irema Curtò (aka Trudy), d.o.b. 07/03/00

http://www.elpresa.com/albums/j7/pup1.jpg
This pup is out of Vento de Irema Curtò X Fly (Nestor x Tina), d.o.b. 10/05/02

And now here always the same "pup" (what's his name John?) at 10 months...impressive ;)
http://www.elpresa.com/albums/j7/pup2.jpg

We'll wait for more pics!

p.s.
John, now we want you to post here ;)

[AUSTIN]

Hello j7

How are you John?

It's nice to know that there is someone on here I actually know.

How are all of your dogs? good I hope.

Will phone soon and speak. Please let Nicky know I haven't forgotten her, will call her once I have date for Vivi's arrival.


Rgds
Jane
Rogue Kennels UK

Sorry I missed you at Crufts, we will meet one day.

[Paolo Consolandi]

new pics of Kena (aka Trudy) here: http://www.elpresa.com/gallery/j7

http://www.elpresa.com/albums/j7/kena3.jpg

http://www.elpresa.com/albums/j7/kena2.jpg

http://www.elpresa.com/albums/j7/kena4.jpg

:ok:

[eSPO]

That pup grew up real fast ! Trudy looks extremely athletic and fast !

[RuthyC3P]

Trudy is a very beautiful dog. :ok:

[blas_t]

I was wondering how the female trudy gained so much white with time? the patch on her chest is completely differentbetween the first photo's and the most current photo's, and also there is now white on the toes. i wasn't aware that this could happen.

[BCK Presa]

I was thinking the same thing, never seen that before......

[Raptorkennels]

Hi all, just to clear up a few things, the dog with the most black is Trudy, the dog with the white socks and bigger white flash on the chest is Minnie they are litter sisters from Irema Curto's Nester X Irema Curto's Gara. there was a mistake made when the names where put to the pictures.
John is a very good friend of mine and like my self very busy with work and our dogs and don't get much time to get on here to post, but we read as much as we can and fined your forums a wealth of information.
The pup in the album is a dog called Stomper he is out of Irema Curto's Vento and fly, I own his litter brother, I also have 2 bitches 1 from Trudy and 1 from Minnie, they are all proving to be excellent animals, we are trying to do everything by the book at this end here in the uk, heath screening and hip scoreing so that the stock poduced are healty mentally stable dogs. Don't know if espo remembers me, we had quite a few chats on the old forum site before it changed over, going to try and get some pic's posted of our dogs in the uk. There all grown up now espo, they were only weeks old when we last spoke.
All the best to you all for now, and keep up the good work, its still the best site on the net for the proggress of the Perro de Presa Canario
EXCELLENT!!!

Dave.
RaptorKennels.

[J7]

Hi there, done it at last, i am on here better late than never. I typed in the new code and bingo you guys are stuck with me now ! . Dave from Raptor Kennels has already told you the script with Trudy and Minny ( there original names when i got them off Manuel was Kena & Kasi ) i also bought 2 others from him, again 2 sisters Fly and Eta there original names were Jana and Juana and they were out of Tina and from Nestor. I kept a number of dogs back from the 3 litters we had and have just about got all the results back of the tests, hips, elbows , eyes , thyroid , blood , ect ect, so far things are looking very good , so when i have all the data in i will make it public for all to see. I will try and get some more pictures taken this weekend whether permitting of the others we have so you can see what we have on this side of the pond. I look forward to sharing our experiances with the Presas on this forum in the future now that i can at last log on, bye for now my beds pulling been a long day, J7.

[AUSTIN]

Hi You,

Long time no speak, looking forward to seeing you and family next week.

Struggling with new web site for kennels, but I am getting there, you can see it when you come and let me know what you think.

Dogs look really good, new camera works well, they are good pics, Stomper looks great as always, so do the girls.

We cannot wait to meet them. their not vegetarians as well? Are they? lol

Will try and phone before next week to chat.

Hope you and your lovely little girls Finlay and Soroya are all ok and keeping well, maybe we will meet them one day soon.

Speak soon. Take Care.

Jane
Rogue Kennels

[eSPO]

I remember the "conversations", it has been a long time ! I am glad to see that things are coming into place for you. We appreciate hearing from fans from all over the world who have looked to Manuel Curto for their stock. I get e-mail all the time from people in many countries who are enjoying their experience. I am glad that you guys from the "other side of the pond"are here. We enjoy the friendship,pictures and stories of your Perros De Presa Canario.

[Raptorkennels]

Glad you could make it John, maybe were not too long in the tooth for this internet carry on after all.
Hello again Azespo nice to hear from you again, hope everythings well at your end with you and yours.
And a big hello to Jane over here in the uk, would be nice if we could all meet up at a show in the near future and get as many Presa's together on the day from the uk as we can.
Regards
Dave. :)

[AUSTIN]

Hi Dave

If Vivi's pregnacy takes, we should know end of the month. Tell us a time and a date after pups born and we will meet.

We are meeting John next Sunday (25th) does he have any pics of yours that he could bring.

He will not see Vivi she will not be here until begining of May (if pregnant)
and Fausto sometime September.

It's about time that we should all meet. I look forward to it.

Regards
Jane
Rogue Kennels UK

By the way less of the long in the tooth lark, I'm older than you lol

[Raptorkennels]

Hello Jane, thanks for your reply, spoke to john earlier today and he said he was meeting up with you next weekend, Im going down to johns this sunday so I am going to try and get some shots of the dogs taken before then if the weather behaves its self a bit, then he can show you them, if not I will e-mail you them.
Had a look at some of the photo's of your two dogs that has been posted on here and WOW! their sum mighty fine animals, very impressive. :ok:
Hope to speech to you soon, and when you get sorted at your end with the dogs (bet you carn't wait) we will sort out to meet up at a show somewhere in the midlands then its not too far for us all to travel, this dam rain mite have stopped by then as well.
Bye for now,
Dave.

P.s older you say, well I don't know about that, wiser, for sure. lol

[Paolo Consolandi]

New pics from John...

John tell us more about these pics ;)


http://www.elpresa.com/albums/j7/048_G.jpg
Rompa Stompa



http://www.elpresa.com/albums/j7/042_G.jpg
Trudy in the down with Mr Zag dog who is coming up 9 yrs old

[Paolo Consolandi]

And here are more..

http://www.elpresa.com/albums/j7/003_G.jpg

http://www.elpresa.com/albums/j7/002_G.jpg

http://www.elpresa.com/albums/j7/001_G.jpg

http://www.elpresa.com/albums/j7/005_G.jpg

In this picture you can see "Ebony". She is out of Trudy and Irema Curtos Argos, d.o.b is 09/05/02, the guy holding her ( because she would be a blur all round the lawn ) is Dave from Raptor knls. She has no white on her at all anywere. She is a very dark brown not a pure black like my Minny is but you have to see them side by side to tell. She is about 40 kg in shape in the photo.

[johan de man]

Isn't there a very harsh breed specific legislation in the UK ?

I mean : filas, dogo argentino, amstaff and apbt are not allowed over there.

What about presa's ? Just curious, that's all !

[le presa]

The presa is alowed in England and alowed to breed with (to my knowledge) but the breed is not recognized there which means the English Kennel Club does not give pedigrees, nor are they alowed on exhibitions. We once got an invitation with one of our dogs to attend Crufts, i contacted the Kennelclub and they basically told me that our breed was not wanted nor alowed on exhibitions.

Ah well, England has always been know to do things the opposit way, all the world (except maybe 1 or 2 countries) drives on the right side of the road but they dont :rolleyes: :P

[Raptorkennels]

Quite right, the Presa is not on the dangerous dogs list here in the UK (not yet anyway), and not for the foreseeable future, hopefully.
We are trying to make headway in getting the dogs kennel club registed over here along with the other popular breed we have, but unfortunately the system we have at the moment is quite Stringent and anything out of the ordinary seems to be a no go area. I would love to see the person who draws up all these rules sat cozy in front of the tv, late at nite, pipe and slippers with their little poodle ( no disrespect ) on their lap, then Mr burgular comes a creeping through their door. wot then.
We have made a bit of headway at least and the kennel club now recognizes the Perro de Presa Canario but only under the working trails registration, but at least you get a cirtificate with a kennel club name and a registration number, its a start.
Dave.

[Raptorkennels]

Just a test to see if I have got it right.

http://members.lycos.co.uk/raptorkennels/hpbimg/PIC00011.JPG

J7,s stomper

[johan de man]

I hope they get a pedigree soon !

It's just, they look a lot like bandogges (pitbull/mastino or mastiff crosses), and I don't think most police guys know the difference.

In the Netherlands, any Amstaff , or crosses or similar looking dogs without FCI pedigree are considered to be pitbulls and are confiscated and put down.