Mr.
José Rivas, owner of the Cantadiello estate, is the man who
introduced various breeds previously unknown, to
the Spanish region of Asturias. A breeder and trainer of surprising
character, he was especially dedicated to the German Shepherd and to
the Presa Canario. He produced many litters, of which few
descendants are left. Dogs of strong health, impressive
structure (without excess) and great mobility. Dogs that were good at
guarding, (a rare thing nowadays due to the excess of confidence
towards strangers of the majority of specimens) and a great
ability for fighting.
Within his bloodline he always looked for strong dogs but tried to
minimize the impact on temperament and mobility. At the present time we
can say that few Presas show a functionality comparable to that of this
bloodline, as in order to impress with big heads and wide chests,
breeders have largely neglected the reason-to-be of a Presa Canario, to
protect his owners, properties and himself.
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Why the name
Cantadiello,and where does it come from?
Cantadiello is the name of my estate. In past times there
lived an old man who used to sing very often and so it began to be
called “cantaviejo”
(“cantaviello” in Asturian dialect).Finally was
changed into Cantadiello.
When
did you begin to breed, and for which reasons? About 25 years ago, I
met Mr. Asensio in Madrid, where I saw for the
first time a Presa – who was of his property – and
I was particularly amazed by him. If I do remeber well his name was
Drago. Then I met “Rocky”, owned by a cattle trader
from Asturias called Fernando Cuesta Juglar. I liked that dog very much
and I gave a horse in exchange for him. He brought him from
Tenerife. Then I brought a bitch from Las Palmas -
which was previously owned by a dog fighter, friend of Demetrio El
Cabrero (ndr Demetrio Trujillo, the owner of the famous black coated
Tinto) - and that was called Nona, and two more bitches nephews of
Tinto, daughters of Mogàn owned by Demetrio El Cabrero.
These last bitches were obtained thanks to the mediation of Fernando De
Lorenzo. Do
you work your dogs,and if so what kind of work? Yes I do, but nothing
special, I just do obedience and attack with
them, but not competitons. It is more like civil work.
How
do you select your puppies, and what do you do when you see that the
puppy is morphologically ok but he does not have temperament? I always had puppies
with temperament. As an anecdote I can tell you
that sometimes I used to find dead puppies through the litters, and I
did not know why that was, till I discovered that they used to have
fights till the death. Sometimes I took one out by the tail and there
followed two or three which were still hooked on like a bunch of
grapes. Anyhow, if I had puppies without temperament I would not breed
them.
How
did you use to determine the breeding criterias? I never followed a
written standard. I searched for a big strong dog,
whose size would not reduce his mobility and with a temperament in
harmony with his structure, impressive.
What
do you think about the separation of the breeds Presa Canario and Dogo
Canario. What are their more notable differences? I do not know the Dogo
Canario.
Do
you believe that Presa Canario breeders used to outcross? What is your
opinion about it? In the Canary Islands
they always used to breed for the tasks of
guards, catch and especially fight, without following a single
standard. They used to make all the crosses which worked great for that
tasks, period. Those were the dogs of those times. They used the
Mastiff, the Bulldog, the Staffordshire Bull Terrier and the
Perro de Ganado Majorero. Later they used also the Pit Bull, the
Bullmastiff, the Neapolitan Mastiff and the Great Dane. Crosses have always
occured, even in the Canary Islands there has never
been homogeneity. Simply through various
generations the temperament was lost. The
Majorero was then used to give the Presa that bit of distrust that he
needs.
Is
the social status of the owner or of the breeder decisive as far as how
Presas are bred and how they develop? The only thing which
influence that is the handling, the passion.
How
it is possible to note when a dog had crosses with Great Dane, Pit Bull
or other breeds? You can say it because
of their look.
What
are the differencies between fights and pechadas? I do not understand
about the properly called "dog fights". What
is the difference between a bloodline that was never fought and a
bloodline which was selected with dogs tested in fights? Mainly in their
mobility, also in their physical and mental hardness.
Which
are those bloodlines that you do consider as old? The ones which do not
look like the Bullmastiff.
A pup
is "Presa Canario born" or he goes making himself through time? And by
what does it depends? Is a thing he should
have from birth. It depends on the bloodlines.
What
is the importance of the Bardino Majorero into his bloodlines? All possible.
What
should a Majorero have in order to be considered legitimate and to add
something to the Presa? Nerves, agility and a
touch of insecurity.
What
type of Presas is not of your liking, or is not functional on your
opinion? The majority that
attend the show rings.
How
do you select the puppies that you plan to keep for your program, do
you make some specific tests to them? Yes, I may make tests,
but the most of it is done through observation.
How
do you see the future of the breed. Do you believe there will always be
a dispute between the two breeds or sooner or later will
proper honour be given to the Presa Canario, respecting his breeding
parameters and those aspects which were traditionally searched for in a
Presa? I think there will be
two bloodlines, a functional one and another one
which is useless.
Do
you believe that the Presas should attend to the show rings? If they deserve it,
yes.
Which
are the continents in which it is most suitable that a Presa Canario
may develop his working skills? Every continent.
Are
breeders nowadays using new blood to "refresh" some
bloodlines of Presas? Yes
What
is the difference between the dog of the Islands and that of the
Spanish peninsula? There is a great
variation in both places.
Do
fighting dogs also guard or not? Perfectly, the fact is
that some dog fighters did not want that their
dogs to go against people and those that use them in order to guard do
not want them to fight, and for this it seems it is like you said, but
the Presa Canario, as born, is able to do it all.
How
is the Presa of Cantadiello? It is a Presa Canario
which, as born, has very good mobility and much
temperament.
Date of the
interview: April 11th, 2006| Author:
Eduardo Garcia Garcia - Guimaran Kennel